Hedera Ecosystem Collaboration Twitter Spaces hosted by the HBAR Foundation

In the Twitter Spaces hosted by The HBAR Foundation, we dove deep into the collaboration happening inside of the Hedera ecosystem.

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HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
Welcome back to another Hedera ecosystem Twitter space brought to you by the HBAR foundation. I'm Brandon, I'll be your host today. We're going to be talking about collaboration in the Hedera ecosystem and of course, there is a lot to talk about. Our panel today of course is going to include Ant Middleton. We have representatives from KoalaHash Club, Earthlings, Leemon Swap, Walla Wallet, HashPack, Hello Future Buzz, Generation Infinity and more. I'll try to introduce panelists as you come up, but if I miss it just say your name and who you're with as you're coming up and we'd appreciate it. Panelists can jump in at any time or you can raise your hand and I'll segue to you if you have anything to say. We want as much audience participation as possible today, so if you have a question for the panel, a comment, or some good examples of collaboration taking place within the Hedera space, just request to be a speaker and I'll bring you on up. I know a lot of people saw our acting skills the other day in uh in the interview we did with Earthlings and Hangry and Leemon Swap. We'll start off with them. Patrick, with Earthlings, as you've gone through the process of starting to build out your gaming metaverse, was collaboration with others in the space always the plan or is it just something that kind of happened?

Earthlings – Patrick - Founder
That's actually a very good question. Um, yes and no. Not to the extent that we are doing it now. Um, I didn't I couldn't really imagine how far collaboration in web 3 could go and that's something that surprised me actually. We had we were more focused when we started this maybe a bit more on metaverse and lesson gaming and that's actually changed because while I was writing the white paper while we were building this we saw more and more that gaming should be more on the foreground and it's very important thing to bring to web3, but then seeing the possibilities within these two combined projects gaming and metaphors um and what web3 can do that, that was amazing and what we just discussed yesterday doing these things with Hangry with the rebels in in the gameplay in the underground that was amazing when we came up together with that some weeks ago and also what we're doing with um uh Leemon Swap the banks and all this this stuff, yeah I couldn't have imagined how far this collaboration could go on the web 3 so that is something that that I enjoy a lot and I think we're just beginning to see all the possibilities that are still coming out.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
Yeah there's no question about that you know the things that you guys are doing are really exciting I've enjoyed watching it I enjoyed playing around with you guys the other day I think we do need to take some acting classes but we'll get by it was fun uh putting that together that's for sure so uh something else I wanted to bring up you know we talk about the future being a multi-chain world and one of the people that is really involved with that is King Solomon uh do you mind coming up and telling us how you think different networks should go about working together you know we're going to be talking a lot about collaboration within the Hedera ecosystem but what if we're looking at other chains and we want to work with other ecosystems out there.

Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
I mean, I think it's going to be on a case-by-case basis. You might not see like total synergy within an entire ecosystem, but you know there's so many different products, like thinking of like Hedera for example, there's tons of different products whether that be the file sharing or the file service or smart contracts or HTS or HCS that might be able to make sense in a way that you could layer them on top of what other ecosystems are doing and especially as the EVM capabilities really grow out, um, I think you're going to really start seeing um cross-ecosystem kind of development. Like I know I've seen patches, uh, even over the past week get into multiple discussions with the Vechain community, um, I kind of was doing that earlier in December as well and there's a lot of synergy there, um, yeah, I mean, I think it's just going to be kind of the natural progression. I also do think it's going to take time to really see that what we would consider like real interoperability, um, at scale, but I think it starts with uh injecting like little layers of value that might make sense from an ecosystem like Hedera on top of other ecosystems to kind of bootstrap out, um, maybe some needs that that ecosystem might have that aren't being fulfilled right now within their native layer one.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
May, you had your hand up, do you have anything you want to add?

HashPack Wallet – May Chan – Founder & CEO
Yeah, I think that King Solomon's insight is really great, um, and pointing out that Hedera has some great layer one capabilities that might bolster the um other chains. I think that that's a really great insight here where like uh other chains don't necessarily have like fair ordering or other um like fast TPS or other things like that, that if you were to hook it up to Ethereum or something like that or another blockchain, maybe you can use the strengths of that blockchain but have some part of it bolstered by Hedera, and I think that that's a really cool thing. Also, on the topic of like interchain, uh, like cross-chain compatibility, that kind of thing, I think that we're also seeing like um the sort of technology take the back seat to the product when it comes to larger companies coming into web three. So for example, Starbucks NFTs or Reddit NFTs or Instagram NFTs, um, they are digital collectibles first and foremost and then the chain that they're on is actually secondary. People who are on those platforms don't necessarily know it's on Polygon or uh whatever chain that you know that project might be and I think that as we go forward in web 3, we're going to see more of these products that just focus on what they're providing to users and then the technology takes a back seat, kind of like you don't know if you're using Amazon Web Services or Google Cloud or something like that, it's sort of in the back end, and I think that's a very interesting and exciting future and one that Hedera is really well-positioned for, um, and just as a side note, in terms of cross-compatibility and making things really accessible to users, uh, I just wanted to announce that HashPack today, we launched email signups using a product called Magiclink, and we have basically found a secure way to remove uh seed phrases and private keys from account uh creation and so if you're a new user onto Hedera, you can just create an account, log in with your email, it's secure, it's non-custodial, but it's like super super easy and we're super excited about that and I think that that will tie really well into all of these companies that are coming into Hedera looking for the best user experience.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
Yeah, I'm looking forward to that for sure. Uh, and congratulations May, uh Patches, you've had your hand up.

Turtlemoon Tools – Patches - Founder
Yeah. Um, all great points and just a huge shout out to the HashPack team, uh, continually pushing the user experience of Hedera forward. Um, you know, from the first ability to actually connect and do secure trades after the, you know, the law of just having to look at your NFTs, not being able to move them, to, yeah, having onboarding of just emails to get onto the Hedera network and experience it, it's, uh, yeah, just a testament to what you guys have been doing. It's really awesome to hear, uh, and see see you go live for interoperability. I think I agree with everyone that Hedera is uniquely positioned to help and supplement other chains than other chains are to help say Hedera. So, I think we have a really big opportunity to simplify the education of what power the Hedera consensus service can provide, make really simple tools that interact with it, and then allow other chains to, just like May was saying, get functionality and not knowing or caring what network is actually executing that. And so, with the Hedera consensus service, the speed, the cost of saving these records, even over traditional databases, I say this all the time, but you know, Turtle Moon had 100 database architecture on our launch pad. Sixty percent of our databases we moved over to Hedera consensus service, and as a small company, we saved four hundred dollars, three to four hundred dollars a month, because now the interaction data that you're just writing once can go onto a mainnet one thousandth of a penny, recalling it is extremely cheap with just you know Hgraph io or any API service to the mainnet, and bringing that ability of very fundamental, secure, fast, cheap documentation of events is paramount for good web 3 gaming, good metaverse, good, uh, user experience in this this blockchain environment that isn't terribly set up well for it or if it is, it has lost the security due to the trilemma problems such as Solana, less security, faster transactions, cheaper. So, um, I think as developers being innovative on how we can transparently show developers on other chains on how Hedera consensus service can not make them change their network, but supplement the problems that they're having on their chain as a you know Layer Two Hedera solution, a quick, easy, fast, and I think that's 2023, that's what we're looking at Hgraph Punks and turtle Moon, and we want to make it seamless, fast, quick, easy, great user experience, don't even need to know what's going on, and just the Hedera consensus service can shine, and I think that's the golden egg when it comes to interoperability and getting developers from other chains to use Hedera.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
And we just had, um, with Hello future Buzz, we had the second annual Hedera NFT holiday party. And of course, she got a lot of help from Patches as well. Um, you know, obviously those kind of things are not possible without working with all kinds of different teams. Uh, Elizabeth, how was it working with so many moving parts and so many different teams?

Hello Future Buzz – Elizabeth - Founder
Well, we, I love what you were saying and about charity because, uh, we had our second, uh, charity event, uh, this year called Hedera Holidays, and we raised over 250,000 HBAR for Abused Women and Children, and last year we raised over 455,000. So in the crypto winner, I think it went really well, and Patches was our, uh, wonderful community member, and he's also a great developer in Hedera, and he created a platform and, uh, for our auctions, and so it's really interesting to hear your enthusiasm to onboard more charities, and I think that's, uh, one, Leemon spoke about it almost a year ago on our spaces about how smart contracts can be programmed for automatic monthly giving, and so there's a lot to be done in the charitable space, and we're so excited that you're with us and can help us achieve that kind of, um, good for the universe, and I'm just really thrilled that you're with us, Aunt.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
Thank you, Elizabeth, and a great, uh, event that you put on there. I had fun from the very beginning to the very end. I had fun putting the, uh, my picture together, my profile picture, all that kind of stuff. So, so well done, and I hope we can do it again next year. I'm certainly going to be participating that as well.

Hello Future Buzz – Elizabeth - Founder
And it couldn't happen without the collaboration of the entire community, and that's web three, and that's we, and that's we, so everybody from the community participated in the auction, all the NFTs were donated from the community, so it's really about collaboration in the Hedera ecosystem. Thanks, Brandon.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
Yeah, this was certainly a fitting, uh, start as far as the spaces for the year having one on collaboration, because there's an awful lot of it going on. Um, the one thing that I do want to get to, we'll shift gears here a little bit. You know, being at the center of the Hedera ecosystem, wallets have no choice but to collaborate, so I want to get some input from our wallets on this as well. Uh, Jeremy, we'll start with you. What are some of the collaborations you guys have been involved with?

Walla Wallet – Jeremy - Founder
Yeah, hey, Brandon, thanks. Um, so over the course of the past few months, um, well, we've had some collaborations that I'm not really sure, you know, not really sure if I should announce them just yet, but I think, but I believe in the next version of Walla Wallet, we'll be announcing a couple of the collaborations. Um, but you know, as I've mentioned in some of the, uh, in some of the live streams and stuff, as we, as we kind of pulled out of 20 at towards the end of 2022 there, we were working hard to support, you know, just, uh, to fulfill our obligations with the HBAR foundation, and very grateful for the support that they provided, and so now, as we kind of, uh, pull back a little bit, we're, uh, you know, we're into a little bit more reflective mode right now, and really looking for more collaborative opportunities. Uh, you know, now that we support, uh, now that we actually support the NFTs in a gallery and we're, you know, working hard towards the next day, next stage of, of course, doing connectivity, there was some, you know, some delays on the technology side from, from really opening up the, uh, the connectivity, which has been kind of a barrier for us, uh, in the collaborative mode. Um, but you know, but for now we're focused on, you know, really kind of reaching out to the community that's out there, kind of taking some of our cues from May and the HashPack team and the awesome community building that they're able to do. Um, and, and of course, you know, I'm, I was happy to see that I was a little happy to see that Koala Club being the us-based company, uh, you know, up until recently, I was unfamiliar with the term cultural appropriation, and somebody mentioned that, you know, because what the Walla Walla team is not a, uh, it's not an Australian company, and using a wallaby, I said, well, I don't know, I mean, we decided on the wall before a handful of reasons, uh, it's a great avatar, you know, we, uh, we, both my partner Rob, uh, you know, our CTO and lead developer, and myself, I mean, we take a lot of cues from the women in our family, and, uh, Walla Wallet was a nice, alliterative name with a, with a soft, cute, and cuddly avatar, and we liked a soft approach. You know, there's a lot of hard, kind of, cutting edge themes out in the in the crypto space, so we kind of went with a bit of softer touch. So, um, so if, uh, if ant or Koala Club, if any of those folks are looking for, uh, you know, looking for, uh, wallaby sanctuary opportunities, we'd certainly be willing to collaborate there.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
Yeah, that makes sense for sure. I know you guys have worked a lot with Tune FM, and I see, uh, we have Andrew up here. Andrew, what do you have?

Tune FM – Andrew - Founder
Hey, how's it going, everyone? Um, yeah, we, uh, definitely have, uh, collaboration with Walla Wallet, and, uh, they're doing a jam giveaway every week, I believe, and, uh, of course, you can use, uh, Jam on Walla Wallet or also on HashPack, and I saw the recent, um, announcement from HashPack, and we've actually integrated HashPack recently, um, and so we haven't announced it yet per se. It hasn't been launched, but uh, the dev work is done and so we'll be making some announcements around that very soon, along with the launch of our music NFT Marketplace. The long-awaited uh, marketplaces has been deployed, so it's in private beta right now, so whitelists only and we're going to be doing a Genesis uh, Jam NFT drop very soon, so that'll be the first jam-based NFT, um, from us and then we'll start onboarding um, members of our whitelist including Luciana and her team with Riktor, and they're going to be doing a drop sometime hopefully in January and so we're really excited about that as the first big public drop for music NFTs, um, and so a lot of stuff is going to be happening this month and I just wanted to uh, get ahead of that and let people know that um, you know, stay tuned for our announcements as January is going to be a very busy season.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
Good stuff, thank you Andrew, and we have a question or a comment from the community. Mindset, go ahead.

Community Member – Mindset333
Hey, how's it going gentlemen, uh, just have a quick question for you since you guys are very knowledgeable in this area. I was wondering about I think Hedera recently increased their total supply and is that a normal thing and can they do that often? And uh, another question I was wondering, when is Hedera HashPack gonna come for uh, I you know for iPhones?

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
All right, well I'll take the tokenomics question first, uh, the total supply for HBAR is 50 billion tokens that that will never change, um, the only way that could change is with unanimous agreement of the entire uh, Hedera governing council and Swrilds, which is the only um, permanent member is a permanent no, so um, the supply will, there won't be any token burns, there won't be any added, uh, as far as circulating supply, there's a gradual release, uh, over you know, many years that's going to take place. So so far in the first five years we've released about half of that, so we have about 25 billion tokens in circulation, and yes, they're going to be added to the market, uh, mainly just to build out the network and maintain the ecosystem, and that's done in all kinds of different ways, uh, so I hope that answers your question, uh, the second part of your question for HashPack, I'll leave that to May.

HashPack Wallet – May Chan – Founder & CEO
Yeah, um, it is in beta right now, so you can absolutely download it on iOS and get it working on your iPhone or on your Mac, MacBook. The tricky thing here is that iOS, their app store, has some very strict policies on NFTs and so we've been working with them, we've been in direct contact with the store people, and just trying to get them to approve it. For example, we can't link to a marketplace inside of our dap because uh, or inside of our wallet because that is considered um, selling NFTs or something, and they want a cut of 30% on that, so we're trying to work out to see what we can do to make them approve our app but that's what's holding it up is their policies around NFTs, but we're definitely like trying to push it through when we're in contact with Apple and so hopefully that will come out officially very soon, um, yeah, uh, is it all right if I segue to community stuff because I, I really, I think that community just like what King Solomon said, community is like the highlight of web3 just like what ad said, it's the best part of web3.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
Sure May, go ahead.

HashPack Wallet – May Chan – Founder & CEO
Yeah, uh, HashPack, we are really, really like community is one of the biggest things that we want to push on Hedera. We want to uh celebrate all of the great projects that are coming up and we work very hard to sort of raise awareness of those projects that are coming out. We have a community site uh on our website which is community and if you go onto there you will see a list of I think there's like 40 different projects that we have contacted and talked to and put on this site so that you can have a one-page go-to to look at everything that's being built on Hedera. Basically, like there's uh, like three rows of NFT projects too that's on there and we're adding new projects every day, all the marketplaces, all of the swaps and that kind of thing and we worked with these projects to sort of like help them raise awareness of what they're doing and then on top of that we have a version two of the site that is also publishing their blog posts and stuff like that and again adding all of that into one place so that the community can come and learn about all of these projects, um, so we really love that. I also just want to shout out to Genfinity who is our marketing partner, a community partner, and Genfinity has been doing a great job of raising awareness across multiple chains of what Hedera is doing. And I think that this is the key is that when we're talking about like advertising Hedera or marketing Hedera, it's not about, in my opinion, it's not just about the tech, it's not just about um, hey, you can make money on Hedera, it's about you can find a group of people here that believe in your values that you can talk to that you can work with, if you're a builder, you can build with them, if you're a creator, you can collaborate with other creators, and I think that that is really the strength of Hedera’s community and one that I really love and want to just keep pushing forward as the as the ecosystem grows. So um, you know, I just think that this space is and talking about collaboration and stuff, I think that that that is really the key here for all of us that are building and participating in the network, and yeah, thanks, thanks for letting me sit on my soapbox for a bit.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
No problem May, we love to hear all your insights, we really appreciate it, and I mean, I couldn't agree more, there's two buckets I kind of put into uh, you know, engaging with the Hedera community, that one is uh to engage with other communities, and Generation Infinity is fantastic with that, uh, I think karate combat's a good opportunity with that because they have such a large uh, user base, um, you know, we have people like ant Middleton who can bring new people in and then once they get here we want to give them a good home and you know uh, that that's what my weekly updates are about and all that kind of stuff that they can you elaborate a bit on what's going on in that space?

Pixel Rug – Brandon - Founder
Sure, yeah, so um, first spaces of the year, I can't think of a better one, and when we look at things like music and commission artwork, I think that what I want to tap into a little bit is kind of what uh, everyone's been talking about here, like just listening to everyone talk kind of has got my brain going quite a bit, and traditionally like I like to work with startups and artists, especially musicians, and over the past three years, I've really just been listening and kind of building and learning about what's been happening in Hedera, and at this point where we're at, um, just you know, with my own NFT project pixel rug, and then being a musician myself, and then also running a creative agency, I'm starting to see now that we have the infrastructure being built and we're getting to a point where the tools that we have available on this network may be better than the tools that people have outside of web3, which is really important, we're getting there, and the pace at which this has happened has been pretty drastic. I mean, specifically in the NFT space, if we look at a year ago or just I guess pretty much a year ago, we really didn't have anything in regards to the connective tissue of what an ecosystem would look like for artwork, we talk about secondary marketplaces, or patches brought up, um, you know, the fact that we, you know, we were really relying on something like secure trade from HashPack. So now that we have those things, um, and when I look at the when I look at the art space and just the ecosystem in general, we are getting to a point where, um, I just want to actually speak to what May was talking about, um, when she said product before network, and I think a great example was you're not really concerned about whether you're using um, you know, a product that has you know, Google cloud in the background or Amazon web services or whatever, you're just using it so that's why I think that the inflection point will be once something works better on this network than it does currently for other artists, um, it's I really think that this is going to be the year where we can start to approach these creators and artists and startups outside of web3 because of course enterprise has the resources to you know have been doing r&d for years in this kind of stuff, but a lot of people I work with that are trying to scrape together you know a couple hundred bucks to go record a single in a studio, those people have thousands of fans that are really die hard that want to be a part of their stories, and looking at platforms like Tuna FM and Siki, and I mean, I don't know if I can say, hold on, but I know Patches is, you know, like a math scientist in the lab over at Turtleman Command Center. And when we look at the art space as a whole, music is a huge part of that in the real world, and it's a tiny part of it in the Web 3 world. So, I think musicians and music are going to be a big part of that, and I think that as we approach people outside of Web3, we've got to tell a compelling story to these people that make sense. And I mean, everyone up here on the stage and everyone in the Hedera community are characters in those stories and in this kind of collective story that we're trying to tell. So, if it all makes sense and the experience is really great, there really isn't going to be a lot of turning back for these people that step into this ecosystem and try these things out, because most of the apprehension regarding cost or environmentally friendliness or all these different types of things, those questions have had answers provided. So, if we can start to string together a compelling story, I think that's really what's going to be important. And I mean, I pinned a link to the top, I published a thread just before the end of the year on kind of storytelling and why it's important. I ultimately think that when a brand, or again, a startup or an artist, has that untold story and is trying to articulate it, it means that they're ready to go to market with something exciting. So, what I'm seeing in the space right now is tons of untold stories, and people sharing their visions and beginning to understand how to articulate those. So, I really want to be a part of that and then bring what's happening on Hedera 2 to the little guys outside of wave, through that have no clue what's going on, because I think we're at that inflection, inflection point. So, and there are already a ton of indie musicians on Hedera already, it would actually shock you the amount of musicians that are on Hedera. So, what this is going to take on the other side is just fun experimentation, putting out some songs, and building out some of that infrastructure on the music side. And I think that that's going to be a really exciting thing, it's, you know, arguably one of the if not the biggest piece of the art world. So, that's going to be exciting. And then just quickly on the collaboration side and the commission artwork side with my project Pixel Rug, I mean, I love one-on-one artwork. I wanted to take a different spin on it, and think about what if it was your one of one. What if we worked together with the technology put aside? So, I've been able to work with numerous people now, to create one-on-one artworks for them with them, in a really unique capacity, and mint those onto Hedera. And I've done commission artwork in the past, but this is just completely different, because when you have that exchange of value, there's no third party, so it's just an incredibly delightful experience. And I mean, if people aren't familiar with Pixel Rug, it's kind of like the original 3D collectible on Hedera artwork for the floor, and so for me, that's kind of that, what this year is about for me. It's collaboration, it's storytelling, and I can just tell, I can feel it, that this year, is really the year when we can bring these stories to people outside of Web3, and they can check it out and use it. And like May pointed out, with HashPack, type in your email, now you have a Hedera wallet, like it's happening right now. So, I'm getting ready to start presenting some of these delights to people outside of Web3.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
Good stuff, thank you, Brandon. I do want to get to the inspiration for this, and that's Batty Hattie, but I see we have a few hands up, and I want to get to those as well. Uh, King Solomon, go ahead.

Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
Uh, I know May had, uh, May had her hand up first, so I'll real quick shout out, oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.

HashPack Wallet – May Chan – Founder & CEO
Yeah, shout out to Brandon D, he is a force in the community, and talking about collaboration, when we built HIP 412, which designed the metadata standards for NFTs, he was there, making sure that NFTs could work for music NFTs, so, um, yeah, just shout out for that.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
And King Salmon, now you can jump in.

Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
No, I mean, on the collaboration aspect, I mean, it's, um, it's, to me, it's like one of the most important things, and it's what we've seen in Hedera, you know, being in, you know, multiple different ecosystems, like I've seen more collaboration in Hedera than I've really seen anywhere else, like bar none, and it's like not even really close, um, and I think that's what's really propelled, like the actual the growth of what we've seen from like a usability standpoint. So, like I did want to mention, um, like through the Genfinity aspect, like a big shout out to Patches and I know, uh, I was talking to Baddie a little bit earlier today, like we're doing alpha testing within the app that we've built on Hedera, like I really want to, like, take it not only from like an agnostic viewpoint within the ecosystem for like projects, but like make no mistake about it, like we saw on November 8th, that gigantic uptick in TPS, because something went live, and I think it was probably Avery Dennison, with Atma IO, and the RFID stuff, and then even earlier this year. So, like, when we start seeing, like, the enterprise is really going live with these use cases, there's gonna have to be that kind of same community mindset about, like, a tool for community members to go to and see what's occurring on the network in real time, um, so we are, like, alpha testing the app that we've built right now, it is obviously tied directly into Hedera, um, and yeah, looking forward to that, and shout out to uh, Patches, Creamies, Hangry, which I, I have to, I have to message a couple people to get them on, but uh, yeah, just a huge shout out. I mean, this community has been fantastic to be a part of, and it's good to be here at the very, uh, beginning, in the onset of 2023.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
So, thank you, King Solomon, and you're right, the November 8th thing was a test by Avery Dennison for their atma.io, uh, that's pretty much confirmed by everybody and from what I've heard, they were very happy with the test, so uh, it is coming. We don't know when, but it will be here eventually. Patches go ahead.

Turtlemoon Tools – Patches - Founder
Yeah, um, transitioning all the way back to some stuff that Brandon was saying, um, I think you know Hedera ecosystem collaboration in music is a huge one, and we can already see all these different um, versions of how that's going to come about and different ideas that people have. Um, we did our first live music show of a person who wasn't in web 3 to a metaverse full of our hgraph punk holders that was token gated, so you had to hold an NFT to go to a metaverse to watch a human perform live to you. So um, that was a really cool proof of concept, a great first show, and I think you know this ecosystem is going to continually innovate in this space that does bring a lot of people together and you know we're definitely going to try to do our part for music because I'm a musician and uh, just kind of love how it does bring people together and uh, as a combining force. And then the last thing, just on Hedera ecosystem collaboration and also a huge shout out to Brandon, uh, there's actively a Dao working group that um, a bunch of people just got together in as developers and worked on and built out kind of an ecosystem of what we think DAO votes should look like and um, just a ton of as King Solomon I think has coined coopetition where technically we're competitors, but we want to build something sustainable as a network, as a as an innovation technology as Hedera grows, and um, I think we all see the bigger picture, at least all the developers I interact with. It's not I think someone else said this might have been knew Betty had even. It's like everyone's not fighting over this small piece of the pie, we're all working together to get the whole pie and it's a completely different um, you know, problem if you're fighting for scraps or if you have the you know a very fruitful future because you've all worked together and that's so ether said that I've always seen here in the last year and a half and I love seeing it to just come up in different ways every day.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
Yeah, well said and that's one thing that I've talked about for a while is this pie can grow right, so we don't have to fight over the pie that we have now, we can we can make it bigger uh and then go from there but the first step is to get it as big as possible and but uh, moving on to batty Hattie, his name came up a couple times, um, you know, his stronger together theme certainly fits with our Twitter space today and really was uh the inspiration for it in the first place, so I want to give him uh some time to put some input. You know what are your thoughts on how our community is working together?

Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
Hey, can I give a quick shout out to you real quick, Betty? I've been wearing the Stronger Together hat for like seven days straight now. I'm actually wearing it right now, uh, my wife, yesterday, we were out to eat, like two days ago, and she's like, "I like that hat, where'd you get it from?" I'm like, "I got it from Baddie." So sorry to interrupt.

Batty Hattie - Founder
Oh, thank you very much, uh, King Solomon. That's really cool. It'll be happy New Year everyone, and that definitely the merch is a bit of a conversation starter. People do comment and say what's that about and I've had a couple of conversations from uh, wearing the T-shirt just about what was it there. It's led into that. So uh, from our perspective, stronger together was really celebrating the Hedera community and if you like it very early on at the start Mance and Leemon planted the seed and that seed was to do things the right way and build a company that would last a hundred years and there might have been a quick buck to make or a quick bit of PR to be had which Hedera would have ignored if it meant that they stepped off the rails of doing things the right way and in the early days certainly in terms of trading NFTS, we would be doing it manually, we would be building relationships based on trust and if a bad actor came in and was to if you like rip someone off, the community would reimburse that person for doing a good service to the community and if you like identify that person as a bad actor, and now obviously with HashPack and secure trade, it it's slightly different, but the early days the community was founded on trust and relationships and as a project, you know we're looking to empower young people and their families to be educated on web3 and introduce them to the technology that's available to them through education and creativity and fun and exploration and kind of mental and social health issues and we want to build a community where young people and their families can come into any project and there be that sense of trust and that be this a sense of being a safe space and stronger together is something that's resonated with us for a long time and we kind of captured the HashPack a while ago and then we thought actually how could we represent that visually which is why we have the kind of if you like the neon colors the rainbow flag of H Bars because we want to have an inclusive uh community and we've been helped out so much we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for for people like as Elizabeth thinking Solomon and Patches and Maui from Rooster Cartel and so many people and the hbots and so on um the list is endless and I know I can reach out to anyone and get the support and I think the community does Pay It Forward. I think we do see the bigger picture, um, you know recently we've had people come in from other chains who not have been critical of our space but have kind of found the kind of cohesiveness and a little bit unsettling and I've challenged it and there's been people in spaces which have kind of said well no, actually this is this is real, it's not just uh a fake thing to be generally you are supportive of each other and stuck out for each other. So, um, that's us in a nutshell. We love this community, we are still learning, we are where we are today through the support of others and um we hope we can help educate others in the space as well.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
Well thank you for everything you do. I do want to shift gears here again. So I made my theatrical debut with um earthlings and Leemon Swap and all these guys here a few days ago but I do want to touch on one other thing from them uh but before we get to it I saw Elizabeth had her hand up. Go ahead.

Hello Future Buzz – Elizabeth - Founder
Yeah, I just wanted to let the community know that hello future DAO is coming and that's going to be a heartbeat of the community and we're really looking forward to building that and introducing that in the next month or so so hang on community and also uh this week on Twitter spaces uh Brandon the H bar bull is going to introduce his project recently granted uh by the hashgraph Association and we look forward to that learning about twigital

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
Yeah it's going to be a fun one we're certainly looking forward to it but uh you know getting back to uh earthlings and Leemon swap they're doing some really interesting collaborations and you know I know they don't know exactly what it's going to look like uh at this point but I do want to know what your thoughts are on how these banks and the lemonade stands are going to work you know are people how they're going to interact with them in the game uh coffee if you want to start off with it and then we'll get some input from patches from uh Patrick as well.

Leemon Swap – Coffee - Founder
Sure, I mean from a gaming perspective it's all about user experience right so um you utilizing a Swap in game um is going to be about trying to make the transaction as smooth as possible without requiring the user to do anything external from the game so you know we will have an API that they can utilize and the goal really is to make the Swaps or uh you know providing of liquidity or staking whatever type of functions that they want to use or Earthling wants to use for their token uh themselves we want to make it as easy as possible in game so whether that be you know one functionality available for the lemonade stands in another or additional functionality that's available for the banks itself it's all about you know creating a a banking system within the game where the user doesn't have to leave um or you know switch windows but you know I do want to harp on something else that you guys have been discussing which is the um growth of the pie so to speak and you know from a grassroots perspective that is the only goal for our project. I mean, we, we do have the goal of becoming a token launch pad and that's all about bringing additional volume and liquidity uh to the network itself. So, you know, working with projects like earthlings, it's all about um, you know, bringing recognition to Hedera itself and you know growing with each other uh, learning from other people's or other projects um strengths, whatever mistakes they made. You know, collaborating in the sense that we're able to work towards that common goal of growing the pie and you know for a lot of these grassroots projects, it's very small teams and you know, I'll be the first one to admit, we, we don't know everything um so working with these other projects, it really um speeds up the educational curve really of learning how to market your product and uh work with these other teams to uh best grow that pie whether it be you know, utilizing their community, giving them additional use cases, uh, what have you, it's um, it's really been a trip and you know going forward that's really where we're pushing towards is uh collaborating with as many projects as we can, really opening the door for some of these smaller projects that are you know just launching or uh trying to launch, trying to grow their community, giving them a space where you know they can grow their own niche community but have it be part of the greater pie that is Hedera hashgraph.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
So, well said. Thank you, coffee, and I do want to get some input from uh Patrick as well. Um, Patrick, so what assets do you see being traded in these banks and uh in these lemonade stands?

Earthlings – Patrick - Founder
Well, if Hangry and they said rebels don't drop them first let's have the tokens uh, there of course, but as much as possible of course all the everything that Leemon can throw at us in these banks we'll have in there. But I wanna, I actually want to go back to um what you said as well growing uh the ecosystem, growing the pieces of the pie, because I think what was mentioned and I'll get back to your other question as well and what was mentioned is music. Everyone loves music and listens to music uh so that's a big share. And gamers, uh, half of the population is gaming, it's unbelievable. I looked it up a while ago, half of the population and that might also of course be mobile gaming a lot by the way, but still I think so those are two groups that can really really grow uh the ecosystem the web three so um and what would Leemonn Coffee said as well um what we want to do is make it as easy as possible for gamers and you see that HashPack is doing the same actually making it as easy as possible to get people uh in in this space and that's what we want to do as well. And I think um with people like um coffee from Leemon Swap helping us out on this space and we're probably going to give them a very, very nice big office in them in the main city uh Tower uh, you had a sneak peek preview by the way um and where there's going to be more uh possibilities for gamers uh in our in our game by the way we want them to really go there so that traveling will be incentivized a bit more and then you have the banks of course in the towns where the mayors can have a little say if they don't buy it themselves about what's happening there and um we still have to work that out and then you have the Leemon stance of course but put them in the desert for people who are very thirsty but there's so much possible and having a partnership with with coffee um I'm sorry about the things I said at the end of the interview by the way coffee, you, you know we were joking right there so but I mean, partnerships like this does make it a lot easier for us because then we don't have to uh look at that at all this stuff and just throw it at him and yeah, I think this is this is just one of the things that that shows what exciting things are possible. Another thing by the way we are doing another little part of the ship because we uh we don't really mind if projects are big or small but we want to see how they fit into the gameplay and the Metaverse that we are building and we are really doing some cool stuff on the background as well but not allowed to say anything so more is coming by the way we're not sitting still.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
Thank you Patrick and I did see King Solomon had his hand up uh, do you want to say something to close this out?

Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
Oh no, I don't want to close it out for you dude. I'm excited to be here for the 2023 space. I did want to say uh kind of on the back end of what Brandon was saying um it's been really interesting like with all of the growth and everybody building in the in that area ecosystem there's like a similar synergy within almost everybody with this kind of like coopetation aspect where a lot of projects are building in a way where they're not building redundant on building on the back of redundancy and that is like really the strength that is propelling like Hedera forward where it's like this solution already exists or that solution already exists so why would I just reinvent the wheel from this like let's take that let's learn from it and really propel the network forward um and that can only happen through kind of the you know the community aspects and being so aware of what every other project has been building so that you don't have to necessarily face that redundant aspect and then people just have a choice where it's like well this has the same exact thing like everybody's just propelling the network forward and it's making the competition aspects is making other projects like you know bootstrap out even further as well it's just it's been insane to watch so I don't want to lead us out though Brandon because it's your space and it's been I'm happy to be here the beginning of 2023 love all you guys so now.

HBAR Foundation – Brandon - Host
It's been fun to watch uh as for everybody in this space it's been a blast watching everything uh King Solomon I think that was a perfect note to leave on so I want to thank all the panelists who came out today thanks for everyone in the audience who asked questions made comments and uh everybody who listened in that's all we have HBAR Foundation out.